Ogre's they aren't that tough

[Gas_Monkey]

So I had my first game against Ogre's at the interclub and to be honest I though my elves were going to take a beating... However a few well placed castings of the withering and we had toughness two orgre's getting chopped up by high elf archers.. magic  to be honest the game could have been a lot closer if I hadn't rolled a double 11's insane courage leadership test! 

[Antony]

I can't believe that could have happened, only because I didn't hear enough laughter at the club on Sunday that would have accompanied such an event 

For what it is worth I reckon Brets have the number on ogres. No stomps, out charge, out range, out armour, heroic KB. That'll be a good match up.

[wouster7]

I think James (High Elves) just want a chance at ya Antony.

The Ogre army did have limited shooting and no Ironblaster.

I agree with your Brets comment.

[PaW]

tbh ogres scare me... And I have at least have to think of how im going to deal with them.

Regarding Brets, Not so sure. Brets dont have much vs 2+ Save Mournfang, if charged. So it will be a stand off at the very least. 
LeadBeachlers will rip brets apart... if not dealt with

[Gas_Monkey]

would love to take on Anthony's Orge army of doom!  I have a game on the 8th against Derek's skaven but maybe after that.. I was very lucky with the mournfang deployment and hammered 1 unit in the second turn with the star lance (no armour saves +3 strengh) the dragon he was on helped!

[dave grant]

Most Ogre builds should Batter Bretts into submission... Brets charge range means nothing when a Sabretusk is stood in front of them.

My Ogres have 2 20-0 massacres vs Bretts.

Biggest Challenge is probably Shadow magic (pit and withering is good at thining the out, mindrazor excellent at finishing them off) and armies with a 'lot' of chaff (my most difficult game has been vs lizards with 19 deployments).

[Antony]

Most Ogre builds should Batter Bretts into submission... Brets charge range means nothing when a Sabretusk is stood in front of them.

Sure, Ogres do have the gear to smash Brets, but on paper anyway so too are Brets equipped to deal with Ogres.

It is also true that Brets suffer more than most armies from being redirected, but that is warhammer. Most of the Bret lists I have seen on the interweb don't have many archers, so are really going to struggle against any army with multiple sabre tusk, harpy, skink or eagle (etc) units.

Math hammer:
Core only
11 x KotR FC = 288 pts
6 x Iron guts FC = 288 pts
Charge to the face by the KotR into the Guts

KotR strike
11 attacks hitting on 3 = 7
7 hits wounding on 3 = 5 wounds
Horses strike
9 attacks hitting on 4 = 4
4 hits wounding on 5 = 1+
1 save on 5+ = 1 wound through
total 6 wounds

Guts strike back, 4 models left
13 attacks hitting on 4 = 6 hits
6+ hits wounding on 2 = 5 wounds
5 saves of 5+ = 3+ wounds
3 ward saves of 5+ = 2+ wounds

Combat resolution:
Brets: charge (1), banner (1), ranks (2 or 1), wounds (6) = 10 or 9
Ogres: Banner (1),  wounds (2 or 3) = 3 or 4
Brets win by 7 or 5
Assuming KotR charge which on paper they should, in isolation for equal points they steam roll Guts. Of course if the knights fluff their attacks the guts could end up winning, but the knights will most likely be steadfast. If it becomes a grind fest all bets are off for the knights.

would love to take on Anthony's Orge army of doom!

No Ogre army of doom, just happy bellies and good karma

[Neil Williamson]

Well I would certainly be apprehensive facing Ogres with Bretonnian knights.
The mathhammer above just reinforces what we already know as to how crucial it is for Bretonnians to get a well timed charge off against the right foe. If the Ogres charge the knights then the situation is completely reversed. Crown of Command, or stubborn, regen and extra toughness spells can also make life very uncomfortable for the knights.
Combine that with a mobile cannon that is difficult to approach safely, and leadbelchers blasting away, while trappers and sabretusks make sure the knights cannot line up for their charge, and you are going to severely weaken the knights before they get anywhere near your important units.
I agree that if the knights can get their charges off against bulls or ironguts or leadbelchers then the battle will swing in the Bretonnian's favour, but it is a big IF.

[Antony]

As I mentioned before, have a look at the ETC armies for Brets

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=90093

The vast majority have only Trebuchets as a ranged attack. Of course they are going to be stuffed up with armies that deploy tactical units, that is diverters or throw away units.

Cannons are alot less use vs Brets than the Leadbelchers. The most hits a cannon can get vs Brets is usually 3. Leadbelchers can hit up to 6 each (good luck with that though).

How may Bret armies still take two or three units of mounted squires?  Just watch the Ogre generals squirm as their key units are diverted, and they then have to take panic tests as their diverters are shot off the board.

I haven't seen a single ogre army with more that two Gutstars, yet back in the day when Brets were running over everyone it was routine to have at least three decent knight blocks. The 8th game is developing, and Ogres are just helping to push it along.

[richardbarby]

theory hammer how i missed you

[Gas_Monkey]

ogre's certainley keep you on your toes..   although Brets have got options of units that can disrupt and lead to a big charge. John who has just come over from the UK has Brets so maybe we can see it done in the New Year!