New Dwarf list - your thoughts

[Big D]

Hey guys,

Looking foward to NiCon, I have put together a new list for possible consideration. Let me know what you think.

Lords   
Dwarf Lord   Sheild Bearers   Great Weapon   Ro Stone   MRo Spite   Ro Preservation                                
Rune Lord   Anvil of Doom   Ro Spellbreaking   Ro Spellbreaking   Ro Stone                                    
   
Heroes
Dwarf Thane   BSB   MRo Gromil   Ro Might                                      
                           
Core   
32x Dwarf Warriors   Great Weapons   Veteran   Standard Bearer   Musician                                    
15x Longbeards   Veteran   Standard Bearer   Musician   MRo Grungi   Shields                                
                                        
Special   
1x Cannon   Ro Forging                                            
1x Grudge Thrower   Ro Accuracy   Ro Penetrating                                          
15x Miners   Prospector   Standard Bearer   Musician                                      
15x Miners   Prospector   Standard Bearer   Musician                                      
22x Hammerers   Gate Keeper   Standard Bearer   Musician   Ro Battle                                    
   
Rare
1x Organ Gun                                               

[Simon]

I would drop the hammerers and take 2 bigger miner units or 1 big hammerer unit and 1 big miner unit.

and give the thane rune of furnace and rune of fire

I don't see much use with 15 long beards with shields, the unit is too small to cancel steadfast, too weak to do any damage, too expensive to use as a throw away unit. If you just want to have a cheap unit to carry the grungi banner, just take 10 longbeards and keep them at the back.

I don't think you need the grungi banner anyway, I would drop all the longbeards and take 2 big blocks of warriors with great weapons.

[Fujin]

It's such a pity you have to take Dwarf Warriors (or alternatively, that they can't take a magic banner ). I agree with Simon about the Longbeards  - strip them down and just take the banner or go hard and push more into the unit. Also agree on the Runes for the BSB instead of Rune of Might.

Unconvinced about Rune of Battle for the Hammerers but can't offer you a better option (unless you put Grungi there instead). You're either going to beat stuff to a pulp with their superior WS and the General weighing in, or you'll grind them out. So they'll either be bigger (and therefore Steadfast) or smaller (and therefore... dead). 25pts that doesn't seem to add much (?).

How about dropping the Longbeards and putting in some Rangers? They're hugely annoying and with the Anvil and your +1 to deploy they could really ruin someones day.

[Big D]

Lords  
Dwarf Lord   Sheild Bearers   Great Weapon   Ro Stone   MRo Spite   Ro Preservation
Rune Lord   Anvil of Doom   Ro Spellbreaking  
  
Heroes
Dwarf Thane   BSB  MRo Gromil   Ro Might                                      
                            
Core  
30x Dwarf Warriors   Great Weapons   Veteran   Standard Bearer   Musician                                    
25x Dwarf Warriors   Great Weapons   Veteran   Standard Bearer   Musician

Special  
1x Cannon   Ro Forging                                            
1x Grudge Thrower   Ro Accuracy   Ro Penetrating  Ro Fire                                        
15x Miners   Prospector   Standard Bearer   Musician  Steam Drill                                    
15x Miners   Prospector   Standard Bearer   Musician                                      
24x Hammerers   Gate Keeper   Standard Bearer   Musician                                    
  
Rare
1x Organ Gun  
            
Swapped the Longbeards and Ro Battle for another large unit of Warrors,an Oath Ston (which I wanted to include first time around but forgot) and a Steam Drill. The two 15 man miner units have been  tried and tested by myself and they make exceptional flankers/warmachine hunters  and put the sh*ts up a lot of people.

The Runes of Furnace and Fire are handy on the Thane and are what I have been running. However I have dropped them for a couple of reasons. Dropped fire because big Regen monsters don't generally make it to my battle line. Dropped Furnace because lets face it, when was the last time you saw Lore of Metal?

[PaW]

personally i still see the 7th edition rule of thumb still existing,
3 weapon runes or a greatweapon, dont go half way

[Big D]

Can't take a GW on a BSB otherwiseI would. Ro Might is a decent compromise and is especially funny when I let a enemy characters unit recieve flesh-to-stone

[Chaoswolf]

I was tempted to make my login here 'Bigger D' 

Back to the anvil mate? Looks closer to your OTT list, but I think it's the right choice.

[PaW]

but there are 5 point runes, which could be helpful, 2 runes of speed giving him I 5 , Flaming attacks to stop regen and such.
though your right, i didn't notice it was the bsb, my mistake

[richardbarby]

i like the 2nd list better than the first

any chance of dropping a gyrocopter in there ?

[Big D]

Being that I am trying o keep it within the most common Hard Cap reqiurements (IE: no more than 4 warmachines), no. There is no way a Gyro, while fun, is better than any of the 4 warmachines I already have.

[richardbarby]

thats a shame with it having the fly rule it could offer you some fast moving options

just a thought can you move it with the anvil

[Big D]

No, specifically states you cannot move a gyro with the anvil. Which beg anoter qustion - as a flyer, is the gyro counted as a skimisher? And therefore ableto march and shoot?

[richardbarby]

good for harrying of unit what are the stats for it

[Big D]

It's basically a 3 wound dwarf with fly. If it counts as a skirmsher because of fly it gets a lot better, otherwise its only good for Fuffycon

[richardbarby]

how does its gun work

i think some time last year someone on city guard said a combo charge with one and a choppy unit and useing it to run down the broken unit .it does sound like a good plan

[Big D]

Str 3, -1 flame template. Still does partial hits. Probbly cannot march and fire. Completely nerfed by 8th ed.

And Dwarves are perfectly capable of running people down, mine do it all the time.

[richardbarby]

how many units did your catch at equinox i always like it when my choas dwarfs catch something