High Elves -2400pts: Help Needed

[Carl]

Hi

I'm new to Fantasy (the new HE models pushed me over the edge  ).

Could I please have advice on the following potential list? Where would it rate in terms of power? I want a strong list but not an overpowered one (although the new PG and WLs are too good to drop -ditto the Chariots! Who doesn't like Giant Lions pulling chariots?)

Thanks.

LORD:
Archmage -Level 4 (Shadow): Folariath's Robe, Staff of Solidity
Noble -BSB, GW, Armour of Caledor, Phoenix Guardian

CORE:
x21 Lothern Sea Guard -FC, Shields
x24 Lothern Sea Guard -FC, Shields -Razor Standard

SPECIAL:
x19 Phoenix Guard (AM goes here) -FC, Amulet of Light, Banner of Sorcery
x17 White Lions (BSB goes here) -FC, Banner of Arcane Protection
x2 White Lion Chariots
x5 Ellyrian Reavers- Bows, Spears, Musician

RARE:
x2 Repeater Bolt Throwers.

Note: I'm aware that Fast Cavalry is not that good but I like the models (ditto with the RBTs). If I find that they're REALLY needed, I'll drop the Reavers for x2 Giant Eagles.

Cheers

[Derick]

Fast Cav do not have the same impact on this edition of Warhammer, but they still have their uses.
The primary tactics for fast cav are:
 To lure units out. (put your self in charge range and then run away when charged, Fanatics)
 Block Line of sight to more expensive units. (redirection and missile fire) 
 Take out war machines.
 be that annoying pain in the butt, which can block march moves, whittle a couple of models off a block to reduce ranks.
  and if they get a rear charge in, its 2 points to combat resolution.

Just don't use them like I do and you'll be fine

[wouster7]

Looks like a solid no give army that should survive most match ups intact. I especially like the choices on the banners for your units which is very practical. Whoever told you RBT's are nurf'd in this edition they forgot to tell you that they still maintain a good role in any High Elf army. Only thing I would suggest is that you may possibly want another Lvl 2 as you may need a back up for your Archie due to the many unfortunate accidents this edition or another lore depending on your matchups. Great Eagles I would always employ one at 50pts to hunt down nasty warmachines or to sacrifice to slow a unit getting to your lines or to redirect... it is gold.

With your list containing 2 characters, it would stand a fair chance of getting in FluffyCon : )

[Fujin]

What Phil said, except that last bit.

With your list containing 2 characters, it would stand a fair chance of getting in FluffyCon

[Carl]

Ah, Fujin, but a Fluffycon list would be somewhat different (softer, no?). Also, it would be a 2000 pt force (?).

I'd modify the list quite considerably for a Fluffycon Tournament.

Anyway, thanks for the advice/comments, fellas.

A question: I'd be thinking of running those WLs in 3 ranks of 6. Good idea or not? I figured that they are not so good in an attrition type situation so needed to kill as much as possible.

A further question: would this list be acceptable for ordinary game play? (I do not want a list that is too powerful in friendly situations/casual games) Or does this even matter?

[Josh]

List looks fine for casual play. Lore of shadow and a strong shooting phase will raise eyebrows every now and then, but I can't imagine anyone will make a big deal out of it. Regarding the formation of the WLs: they should be at least 6*3, although I'd be tempted to even 7 or 8 wide when nearing combat. You want as many blokes swinging their axes as possible (Ha! that doesn't sound dodgey.).

[Simon]

I would maxmize frontage with stubborn unit and go for 7 wide.

drop those reavers for eagles..  

[Fujin]

You could always ask the other way - after you've swapped out the Reavers for Eagles, what else could you do to make this list even more powerful/effective?

If the answer comes back "not much, it's already highly optimised and very powerful" then you know you have a tough list

[nik_]

Most tournaments that are implementing some kind of comp restriction system will have issues with the banner of sorcery.
If you're looking for an easy tweak to keep it more 'solid' than 'powerful' then I would consider dropping that (and a random sea guard or whatever) to get the points for an eagle.

I think Fast cav do have a place in 8th edition, though I am finding more use for the fighty variety rather than the shooty variety. With rerolls to hit in most circumstances I think reavers fit that description well enough.
I have had more success with several units as opposed to one, following the principles of target saturation and force multiplier.

[Carl]

Thanks, men. So, basically, the list is ok but needs tweaking...?

I assumed that RBT were soft options (ie easy VPs being a mere 2 Ws each?). So too the Reavers (easy target for magic/missile fire, etc).

I thought the Reavers and RTBs would compensate for the BoSorc.

I would have thought Giant Eagles to be pretty effective warmachine killers (?) whereas RBTs are not (nor very effective v Hordes?). Although I am speaking under correction.

What about giving the PG the Razor Standard and a LSG unit the Flaming Banner (or whatever it is called)?

I could also drop 2-3 LSG to add a Giant Eagle.

I would like to try out the BoS for fun, though. 

Thanks again.

[Simon]

IMO,

I assumed that RBT were soft options (ie easy VPs being a mere 2 Ws each?).

RBTs are "softer" options then they were in 7th edition but they are not crap.

So too the Reavers (easy target for magic/missile fire, etc).

isn't that apply to all other fast cavalries? glade riders, dark riders, wolf riders.. etc they are all easy target for magic/ missile fire.

I would like to try out the BoS for fun, though.

keep the BoS. I think the setup on your archmage + BoS is great, give your a reasonably strong magic phase but not over the top.  

What about giving the PG the Razor Standard and a LSG unit the Flaming Banner (or whatever it is called)?

I would recommend taking only 1 magic banner and increase the size of the unit with magic banner to 30+ and keep the other one at 10 or combine both units together into 1 big unit to maximize the effectiveness of your magic banner.

however this will probably make your list even more powerful and optimized, which probably is not the aim of this thread..