8th edition rumors

[Simon]

latest update below

[Derick]

Any word whether the starter set will have a rule book?

[Simon]

yes, it will.

[richardbarby]

unit fighting in 2 ranks has some merit

[warpmaster]

Any word whether the starter set will have a rule book?

Not released till September though

Spotted another rumor that a model with Light armour+Shield will have a +3 armour save in combat .

[Derick]

Spotted another rumor that a model with Light armour+Shield will have a +3 armour save in combat .

Let's see L/A, Shield, HTH, that's normally 4+, w/- 5+ Scaly skin that's 2+
Hmmm Temple guard with 1+ saves - awesome 

[Simon]

Not released till September though

Spotted another rumor that a model with Light armour+Shield will have a +3 armour save in combat .

8th edition is coming out in July, I think u need to update more often.

armour save is rumored to be similiar to 40k.
not too sure how it works, hope it is not something like str 3 AP 6 long bow or some crap like that.


fear causing armies will be a lot less powerful in the new edition, with autobreak by fear causer rule went down the toliet.

 

[warpmaster]

8th edition is coming out in July, I think u need to update more often.

The 8th edition big RULE BOOK is out july 10th but the box set with the mini rule book and the highelfs and skaven isn't out till september

My updates work fine i think 

[Josh]

I'll be glad if the box set is as rumoured, as it means I'll have no desire at all to buy it (a good thing). I think for this edition, I'll buy the proper BRB anyway. Can't be that expensive from Maelstrom.

Pretty much all the above rumours sound good to me. If that's the extent of the changes, sounds good to me 

[Simon]

latest update below

[Fujin]

I read somewhere that a caster will add his magic level to the casting total of a spell (e.g. a level 3 caster might chuck a single D6 at a Fireball, adding 3 to the number rolled).

Lol. Imagine a VC player rolling a '12' for his power dice, being equipped with the Summon Ghouls/Bats/Skellies power, and being able to successfully cast the spell 12 times with a minimum casting roll of a 5 (1 for the D6 roll + 3 for his level 3 Lord + 1 for the Raise power).


I love rumours.

[John M]

Hopefully they'll take a leaf out of Privateer Presses recent launch of Warmachine Mk2 and leave the basic mechanics of the game as they are and not go full out with a complete rewrite.

As for the rumours most of those have been flying around the forums for well on a year or more and I have given up giving them any credence as most seem to be a rehash of rules from prior editions and 40k.  While GW can be a bit dumb sometimes I would assume that they pay a modicum of attention to web traffic and are not going to completely redo the game but make minor changes to constantly FAQ'd and contentious unbalanced areas only.

[Sectiplave]

I thought Privateer press initially said they weren't going to re-release rules like GW? The changes are fairly minor from what my warmachining and hordes mates say, but they were kinda disappointed to see them do it at all.

With these rumors there will likely be some truth, but how much is always hard to say, I tend to ignore this sort of stuff until the official document is out. Online communities tend to eat up the rumors and cry heresy

[Simon]

I only repost rumors from trustworthy source.

rumors posted by avian, Harry from warseer are usually 99.9% correct.

[Simon]

new updates below

[Fujin]

Thanks for keeping us updated with this Simon. Not everyone can see the point in speculating on rules that might not even be implemented if the rumours prove to be untrue by I personally find such speculation highly entertaining.

Looks like Dragon Princes, Chaos Knights and Blood Knights will be the only truly worthwhile heavy cav choices - especially if the true initiative rule comes to pass (chargers not necessarily striking first because they charged). If you don't kill off the first two ranks or can't save everything that comes back your way... ouch. +1 combat res for Fear-causers makes those Chaos Knights look especially good! Glad I didn't go ahead and finish the 10-strong Black Knights bus unit

If the percentages thing happens I can see a lot of VC players having a big cry - 562pts (25% of 2250) gives you a good Lord and a Wight BSB... and not much in change. I thought this alone might see VCs "drop a tier" on terms of composition but then Varghulfs and Wraiths would be (even) better (+2 to combat res for causing Terror?!), Grave Guard would be horrific with "Strength in Depth". Clearly the whole tiering and composition outcome for VCs relies heavily on what ends up happening with the magic system. It would be pretty clear though that Daemons and VCs would truly no longer be in the same tier (25% on characters gives you ample room for a bunch of Heralds.

Looking forward to hearing a story about a Manticore causing a bunch of Killing Blow attacks on a unit of Ogres

All looks very interesting but for me in hinges on the magic phase.

[richardbarby]

if all this is true its turning fantasy in to 40k. one save only ,every modle fighting ( nearly every model) no strike first if you charge

i dont like where its heading

[Ry.S]

Lizardmen are in the same boat as well as any dragon list but slann BSB and jag vet would be nice maybe a cheap scroll caddy if there's points lots of core sarus and skink cohorts with dons temple guard and as many sally's as i can fit in would be a good list.

[Fujin]

So you couldn't fit a Slann and an Engine into one list?

[grumpy old smurf]

Well, they spent years dumbing down 40k so 12 year olds could play easier..... why are you surprised at them (maybe) dumbing down fantasy so they can sell more figs to 12 year olds with rich parents....

not like they give a toss bout established players who dont need to buy anything.

.... this sounds mean, but i will laugh my arse off if they do turn it into kidstancy to match it up with kiddy-k.

...and i hope they dont.

[Ry.S]

So you couldn't fit a Slann and an Engine into one list?

Yeh that's the case, EotG's is is 355 level 1 with no kit and the slann is 275 with no kit, total  630. I also know in my brothers list Price on moon dragon is 560 So I think you wont ever be seeing a star dragon.

As I See it slann and  5+ bound might be the go but how effective that is in the new system who knows.

I thing I most interested in atm with 8th is how the ETC will take it on and what there players pack/restrictions will be under the new edition I my self think 7th was almost spot on few tweaks is all it really needed. But I will give 8th ago and hope it works out well!

[richardbarby]

 maybe you will see tournie games going to 3k points so you can fit in more than one mage lord on a flyer
no greater deamonds no dragon riden by just about anything. there are not a lot in terms of big lords you can take for less than 562 points

[Glenn Patel]

I think something significant people aren't really commenting on is the changes to magic: it looks like we're going back to one army-wide pool of dice. (plus hey, maybe core book lores will be equal to army book lores)

Plus WOW if you don't have to roll for spells, WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW. You might have less mages, but you can actually build your army around a specific spell. Suh-weet!

Heavy Cavalry do look to be weakened a fair bit, but they've still got 14" to go looking for flanks with.

The changes to initiative WRT charging is quite good for Black Guard and any other elite Elven unit that doesn't naturally have ASF and doesn't use Great Weapons... stupidly, Executioners may be worth fielding, but not for those stupid big swords... >_> (Witch Elves also become a bit better... still vulnerable to getting shot, but they can stab you good now)

Actually, aren't Chaos Warriors high initiative? Good for them.


Single save is... tentatively a good thing. Makes rerollable armour saves that much better, and makes 5+ ward saves much less worth taking...

...wow, these changes mostly just nutpunch Bretonnians, huh?

[Fujin]

Heavy Cavalry do look to be weakened a fair bit, but they've still got 14" to go looking for flanks with.

Movement equal to or more than 7 (and not flying):
-> Basic M value + 2D6

I wonder how that will work with Frenzy? Maybe roll the 2D6 to decide how far you can charge, then measure and check?

[John M]

Key question is what is the new book going to cost - preorders are available from June 9th apparently and the book is rumoured to be 50%+ bigger than the current one.

[Derick]

Key question is what is the new book going to cost - preorders are available from June 9th apparently and the book is rumoured to be 50%+ bigger than the current one.

Rumour has it ... 2 buckets for the "Gunner's" edition, 3 buckets for the "General's" edition.
but if you wait for the box set, it only costs half a bucket.

[Big D]

Let the piracy begin!

[warpmaster]

Rumor is that the big book will be 50euro

[John M]

I am still confused by this idea of two rule books?  Is that like now with the big huge rulebook with all the fluff and extra bits on painting in it + a smaller rules only book that came with BFSP or are their two completely new versions PLUS a smaller book in the new boxed set.

The idea of a gunners/generals edition sounds a bit like D&D with Players and a Dungeon Masters book which seems a bit surreal?!?!

[grumpy old smurf]

yeh, a bit.... like when they released their failed 'collectors' edition 40k rule book you can get one with all the bells and whistles and embossed bog paper in a slipcase with parchment quality snot tissue paper then at the same time get the $hundy version (you also must have) that is a full rule book with the 500 pgs of fluff and THEN the little one (that is the most useful)in the 2 army box set with templates and other crap u already have or dont need. make sense now bro?

2 in july/1 in september.