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[Lazarus]

Battle Cry list

Tyranids                                                         
Total 1850 Points                                                         
                                                         
HQ                                                         
                                                         
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   170      
 Hive Tyrant    8   3   6   6   4   5   4   10   3+   Bonded exoskeletion, Lash Whip and Bonesword, Scything talons.                           
                                                         
                              Special Rules                           
                              Synapse Creature, Shadow in the warp, Psyker                           
                                                         
                              Psychic Powers                           
                              Leech Essence, Psychic Scream                           
                                                         
                                                         
Elites                                                         
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   195
 Lictor Brood                               Chameleonic Skin, Flesh hooks, Reinforced Chitin, Rending claws, Scything talons                     
 Lictor x3    6   3   6   4   3   6   3   10   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Lurk, Fleet, Hit and Run, Move though cover, Pheromone Trail, Stealth                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   90
 The Doom of Malan'Tai    4   4      X   4   4   4   3   10   5+   Claws and Teeth, Reinforced Chitin                     
                                                   
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed, Absorb life, Fearless, Psychic Strength, Psyker, Shadow in the warp, Spirit Leech, Warp field                     
                                                   
                              Psychic Powers                     
                              Cataclysm                     
                                                   
                                                   
Troops                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   140
 Genestealer Brood                               Rending claws, Reinforced Chitin                     
Genestealer x10   6   0   4   4   1   6   2   10   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Brood Telepathy, Fleet, Infiltrate, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   140
 Genestealer Brood                               Rending claws, Reinforced Chitin                     
Genestealer x10   6   0   4   4   1   6   2   10   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Brood Telepathy, Fleet, Infiltrate, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   210
 Genestealer Brood                               Rending claws, Reinforced Chitin, Hardene carapace (broodlord)                     
BroodLord   7   0   5   5   3   7   4   10   4+                        
Genestealer x10   6   0   4   4   1   6   2   10   5+   Special Rules                     
                              Brood Telepathy, Fleet, Infiltrate, Move though cover, Psyker (broodlord)                     
                                                   
                              Psychic Powers                     
                              Aura of Despair, Hypnotic Gaze                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   84
 Hormagaunt Brood                               Chitin, Scything talons                     
Hormagaunt x14   3   3   3   3   1   5   2   6   6+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Lurk, Move though cover                     
                                                   



                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   84
 Hormagaunt Brood                               Chitin, Scything talons                     
Hormagaunt x14   3   3   3   3   1   5   2   6   6+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Lurk, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
Fast Attack                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   90
 Ravener Brood                               Reinforced Chitin, Scything talons (two sets)                     
Ravener x3   5   3   4   4   3   5   4   6   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed,Acute senses, Deep Strike, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   90
 Ravener Brood                               Reinforced Chitin, Scything talons (two sets)                     
Ravener x3   5   3   4   4   3   5   4   6   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed,Acute senses, Deep Strike, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
Heavy Support                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   160
 Carnifex    3   3   9   6   4   1   4   7   3+   Bonded Exoskeleton, Scything talons (two sets)                     
                                                   
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed, Fearless, Living battering Ram                     
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   160
 Carnifex    3   3   9   6   4   1   4   7   3+   Bonded Exoskeleton, Scything talons (two sets)                     
                                                   
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed, Fearless, Living battering Ram                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   235
 Trygon    5   3   6   6   6   4   6   8   3+   Bio-electric pulse, Bonded Exoskeleton, Scything talons (two sets), Regeneration +25, Adrenal glands +10                     
                                                   
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed, Deep Strike, Fearless, Fleet, Subterranean Assault                     
                                                   

[Lazarus]

List #2

Tyranids                                                         
Total 1850 Points                                                         
                                                         
HQ                                                         
                                                         
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   105      
 Tyranid Prime    6   4   5   5   3   5   4   10   3+   Scything talons, Lash whip and Bonesword +15, Toxin Sacs +10                           
                                                         
                              Special Rules                           
                              Synapse Creature, Shadow in the warp, Alpha Warrior, Independent Character                           
                                                         
                                                         
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   105      
 Tyranid Prime    6   4   5   5   3   5   4   10   3+   Scything talons, Lash whip and Bonesword +15, Toxin Sacs +10                           
                                                         
                              Special Rules                           
                              Synapse Creature, Shadow in the warp, Alpha Warrior, Independent Character                     
                                                   
                                                   
Troops                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   190
 Genestealer Brood                               Rending claws, Reinforced Chitin, Toxin sacs +30, Scything talons +20                     
Genestealer x10   6   0   4   4   1   6   2   10   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Brood Telepathy, Fleet, Infiltrate, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   190
 Genestealer Brood                               Rending claws, Reinforced Chitin, Toxin sacs +30, Scything talons +20                     
Genestealer x10   6   0   4   4   1   6   2   10   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Brood Telepathy, Fleet, Infiltrate, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   255
 Genestealer Brood                               Rending claws, Reinforced Chitin, Hardene carapace (broodlord), Toxin sacs +33 (All), Scything talons +22 (All)                     
BroodLord   7   0   5   5   3   7   4   10   4+                        
Genestealer x10   6   0   4   4   1   6   2   10   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Brood Telepathy, Fleet, Infiltrate, Move though cover, Psyker (broodlord)                     
                                                   
                              Psychic Powers                     
                              Aura of Despair, Hypnotic Gaze                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   96
 Hormagaunt Brood                               Chitin, Scything talons, Toxin Sacs +24                     
Hormagaunt x12   3   3   3   3   1   5   2   6   6+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Lurk, Move though cover, Fleet, Bounding Leap                     
                                                   



                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   96
 Hormagaunt Brood                               Chitin, Scything talons, Toxin Sacs +24                     
Hormagaunt x12   3   3   3   3   1   5   2   6   6+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Lurk, Move though cover, Fleet, Bounding Leap                     
                                                   
                                                   
Fast Attack                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   105
 Ravener Brood                               Reinforced Chitin, Scything talons (two sets), Devourers +15                     
Ravener x3   5   3   4   4   3   5   4   6   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed,Acute senses, Deep Strike, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   105
 Ravener Brood                               Reinforced Chitin, Scything talons (two sets), Devourers +15                     
Ravener x3   5   3   4   4   3   5   4   6   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed,Acute senses, Deep Strike, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
Heavy Support                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   360
 Carnifex x2    3   3   9   6   4   1   4   7   3+   Bonded Exoskeleton, Scything talons (two sets), Frag Spines +10, Bio-Plasma +30                     
                                                   
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed, Fearless, Living battering Ram                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   240
 Trygon Prime    5   3   6   6   6   4   6   10   3+   Bio-electric pulse, Containment Spines, Bonded Exoskeleton, Scything talons (two sets)                     
                                                   
                              Special Rules                     
                              Deep Strike, Fearless, Fleet, Subterranean Assault, Synapse Creature, Shadow in the warp                     

[Lazarus]

List #3

Tyranids                                                         
Total 1850 Points                                                         
                                                         
HQ                                                         
                                                         
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   170      
 Hive Tyrant    8   3   6   6   4   5   4   10   3+   Bonded exoskeletion, Lash Whip and Bonesword, Scything talons.                           
                                                         
                              Special Rules                           
                              Synapse Creature, Shadow in the warp, Psyker                           
                                                         
                              Psychic Powers                           
                              Leech Essence, Psychic Scream                           
                                                         
                                                         
Elites                                                         
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   195
 Lictor Brood                               Chameleonic Skin, Flesh hooks, Reinforced Chitin, Rending claws, Scything talons                     
 Lictor x3    6   3   6   4   3   6   3   10   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Lurk, Fleet, Hit and Run, Move though cover, Pheromone Trail, Stealth                     
                                                   
                                                   
Troops                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   190
 Genestealer Brood                               Rending claws, Reinforced Chitin, Toxin sacs +30, Scything talons +20                     
Genestealer x10   6   0   4   4   1   6   2   10   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Brood Telepathy, Fleet, Infiltrate, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   190
 Genestealer Brood                               Rending claws, Reinforced Chitin, Toxin sacs +30, Scything talons +20                     
Genestealer x10   6   0   4   4   1   6   2   10   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Brood Telepathy, Fleet, Infiltrate, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   255
 Genestealer Brood                               Rending claws, Reinforced Chitin, Hardene carapace (broodlord), Toxin sacs +33 (All), Scything talons +22 (All)                     
BroodLord   7   0   5   5   3   7   4   10   4+                        
Genestealer x10   6   0   4   4   1   6   2   10   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Brood Telepathy, Fleet, Infiltrate, Move though cover, Psyker (broodlord)                     
                                                   
                              Psychic Powers                     
                              Aura of Despair, Hypnotic Gaze                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   112
 Hormagaunt Brood                               Chitin, Scything talons, Toxin Sacs +28                     
Hormagaunt x14   3   3   3   3   1   5   2   6   6+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Lurk, Move though cover, Fleet, Bounding Leap                     
                                                   



                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   112
 Hormagaunt Brood                               Chitin, Scything talons, Toxin Sacs +28                     
Hormagaunt x14   3   3   3   3   1   5   2   6   6+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Lurk, Move though cover, Fleet, Bounding Leap                     
                                                   
                                                   
Fast Attack                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   105
 Ravener Brood                               Reinforced Chitin, Scything talons (two sets), Devourers +15                     
Ravener x3   5   3   4   4   3   5   4   6   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed,Acute senses, Deep Strike, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   105
 Ravener Brood                               Reinforced Chitin, Scything talons (two sets), Devourers +15                     
Ravener x3   5   3   4   4   3   5   4   6   5+                        
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed,Acute senses, Deep Strike, Move though cover                     
                                                   
                                                   
Heavy Support                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   165
 Carnifex    3   3   9   6   4   1   4   7   3+   Bonded Exoskeleton, Scything talons (two sets), Frag Spines +5                     
                                                   
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed, Fearless, Living battering Ram                     
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   165
 Carnifex    3   3   9   6   4   1   4   7   3+   Bonded Exoskeleton, Scything talons (two sets), Frag Spines +5                     
                                                   
                              Special Rules                     
                              Instinctive behaviour - Feed, Fearless, Living battering Ram                     
                                                   
                                                   
 Name    WS   BS   S   T   W   I   A   Ld   Sv   Weapons and Biomorphs                  Points   250
 Trygon Prime    5   3   6   6   6   4   6   10   3+   Bio-electric pulse, Containment Spines, Bonded Exoskeleton, Scything talons (two sets)                     
                                                   
                              Special Rules                     
                              Deep Strike, Fearless, Fleet, Subterranean Assault, Synapse Creature, Shadow in the warp, Toxin Sacs +10                     
                                                   

[Eisenhorn]

i like list 2 the best just because of the extra synapse but if you're not worried about that bigger is better.
how did the broodlord work out a BC.  can't believe i got a 0 for comp I'm going to take bugs to equinox

[NeckFace]

true, which list was yours Eisenhorn?


i'd only take list 2 if maybe the raveners were swapped out for warriors.

and a unit of warriors with boneswords with the prime in tow boosting their WS would be righteous as heck.

so my vote's for the 3rd list because of the trygon prime you got in there and the added toxin sacs, as per our discussions

[Eisenhorn]

i had ultramarine w/sicarius, Redeemer, thunerfire, whirlwind.

I'm in favour of warriors over 2 lots of reveners as well. Finally they've made the toxin sacs do what they sound like (poison attacks). I've been complaining about that since the 2nd codex

[Lazarus]

I just like the ravner model over the warrior one, also not keen on drooping things, i think list 3 is the one. i will test it out and see.

There is a few guns off the ravaners now and stealers can rerole the ones and wound on 4+ so should be more of a killer unit, also the gaunts will do better with 4+ wound, and fexs can now charge into cover and more guns from trygon.

[Eisenhorn]

yeah man, don't forget your re-roll for posion attacks too!

[Lazarus]

only if its double toughness

[Eisenhorn]

Ture!?  i thought it was if you were equal or stronger i'll have to doubble check rule book when i get home

[NeckFace]

yeah, equal str or stronger

[Lazarus]

so stealers on marines can rerole to wound

[NeckFace]

yup