+ or - for this LIzard list?

[Simon]

skink chief (General)
light armor
enchanted shield
cloak of feather

skink chief
light armor
shield
Stegadon
Stegadon war-spear

skink priest
level 2
engine of the gods
amulet of itzl

skink priest
level 2
2 dispel scrolls

16 skinks
2 Kroxgior
musican + standard

16 skinks
2 Kroxgior
musican + standard

8 skinks
Kroxgior
musican

jungle swarm
jungle swarm

10 skink skirmishers
10 skink skirmishers
10 skink skirmishers

8 chameleon skinks

3 terradon riders
3 terradon riders

2 Salamander pack

2250 points


all skinks Lizard list

[Antony]

can you have skink units only 8 strong?

can you put champs in the 16 strong skink units?

luv it

+++++

[Chris]

I'd like to see FCG on the Skink Blocks or one less unit of Blowpipes to give it a nice flat comp score. Do both and I'd be looking sideways at anyone giving you a hit.

Anything not containing two of Slaan, Temple Guard and EotG is going to get a favourable glance I would imagine.

[Derick]

Min for Skink units is 10, then for every 8 skinks you can have 1 Krox

I think it would be an interesting list to play.

I have yet to see how someone uses the Krox/Skink units effectively, I know I don't
Movement 6, Fear, mix of strength/toughness

The Steg chariot will be awesome to see in action

[Vaul]

List does well in just about every department, lots of poison attacks, you've got the two stegadons there, and two units of terradons - I dislike it almost as much as most other lizardmen lists out there.  But i'm biased.

[Simon]

can you have skink units only 8 strong?

can you put champs in the 16 strong skink units?

sorry my bad, I'm at work so I didn't have the army book with me, u r right.
min is 10 skinks.

made some changes to make it legal.

I'd like to see FCG on the Skink Blocks or one less unit of Blowpipes to give it a nice flat comp score.

I am "hoping" for something better than a "nice flat score". if my list only able to get a "nice flat score" , i would rather take my slann, temple, stegadon list. (I remember a list like that received "averge comp score" in FOB09)

I have yet to see how someone uses the Krox/Skink units effectively, I know I don't  
Movement 6, Fear, mix of strength/toughness

yes, they suck, that's why i have 4 units of them. (a big sign on my head with "give me + comp")

List does well in just about every department, lots of poison attacks, you've got the two stegadons there, and two units of terradons - I dislike it almost as much as most other lizardmen lists out there.  

a list does well in all department is what I called a "well balanced" list, a list does excessively well in a few or all department is what I called a "hard" list.
a well designed list "should" do well in all phases.

lots of poisoned attacks is one of the lizardmen army's strength, it is like saying "your high elf army has ASF, that just broken"
u have to realise my whole army is str 3 and toughness 2 and DOES NOT have ASF like the gay high elves.  

Yes I do have 2 stegadons, but u have to realise what is in the rest of the army.
it is like saying "your WOC has 2 units of chaos knights" and ignore the rest of the list.

But i'm biased.

I noticed that, a long time ago.  



skink chief (General)
light armor
enchanted shield
staff of the lost sun

skink chief
Stegadon
Stegadon war-spear

skink priest
level 2
engine of the gods
amulet of itzl

skink priest
2 dispel scrolls

16 skinks
2 Kroxigors
FC

16 skinks
2 Kroxigors
FC

10 skinks
Kroxigor
musican

10 skinks
Kroxigor
musican

jungle swarm
jungle swarm

10 skink skirmishers
10 skink skirmishers
10 skink skirmishers

8 chameleon skinks

3 terradon riders
3 terradon riders

2 Salamander pack

[Antony]

Why don't you put BSB one of the chiefs.

[Chris]

I'd like to see FCG on the Skink Blocks or one less unit of Blowpipes to give it a nice flat comp score.

I am "hoping" for something better than a "nice flat score". if my list only able to get a "nice flat score" , i would rather take my slann, temple, stegadon list. (I remember a list like that received "averge comp score" in FOB09)

It might have then but it never will again. Slaan with Toys, TG and EotG should be a veto IMO.

[Simon]

Why don't you put BSB one of the chiefs.

one chief on stegadon.
the other chief is my general.
I want a EOTG
and need a scroll caddy.

no room for BSB... 

[Simon]

It might have then but it never will again. Slaan with Toys, TG and EotG should be a veto IMO.

I said that since the Lizardmen army book released.

[Chris]

I said that since the Lizardmen army book released.

I don't think I've ever disagreed but anyone who does needs to wake up.

[Vaul]

What sort of tournament is this list intended for?

[Simon]

What sort of tournament is this list intended for?

Normal tournament

too hard for FluffyCon
too soft for Equniox

probably TS3, FOB 2010 etc, aiming at above averge comp

[Antony]

I thought that a BSB could be mounted of a steg. If not, you could make the steg chief the general.

[Simon]

I thought that a BSB could be mounted of a steg. If not, you could make the steg chief the general.

just checked, my stegadon chief can take a battle standard.

version 3.

skink chief (General)
light armor
enchanted shield
staff of the lost sun

skink chief
Stegadon
Stegadon war-spear
BSB

skink priest
level 2
engine of the gods
amulet of itzl

skink priest
2 dispel scrolls

16 skinks
2 Kroxigors
FC

16 skinks
2 Kroxigors
FC

10 skinks
Kroxigor
musican

10 skinks
Kroxigor
musican

jungle swarm
jungle swarm

10 skink skirmishers
10 skink skirmishers
10 skink skirmishers

6 chameleon skinks

3 terradon riders
3 terradon riders

2 Salamander pack

[Glenn Patel]

*shrug*

IMO a Chief-led army is making a concession from the get-go. Seriously, any list with a lot of HtoH strength can go through Skinks and Skink/Krox like a hot knife through butter... indeed, even a lot of S3 attacks will annihilate them.

The first list is... really quite suicidal against a lot of armies, imo.

BTW, people go on about how sick Lizards are, but I've not seen them actually take out an event, y'know?

[Antony]

I reckon you have the basis of a fun and yet potentially strong army there.

Lizzies are a good army, and have won heaps of stuff. Skink only armies - not so strong.

With hard comp, you'll really struggle. But with some form of relative comp it ticks all of my army boxes.

Swap in the Steg helm and you have good leadership
immune to fear
hitty
magicy
static CR
72 poison shots to deal with big nasties
templates to deal with ranked infantry

What's not to like

[Josh]

I think the list is average comp though rather than a positive, but that entirely depends on the tier if any. I would consider this an average tournament army. Dropping a steg would get you more comp for sure, but you'd also lose one of the hammers in the list.

[Simon]

I think the list is average comp though rather than a positive, but that entirely depends on the tier if any. I would consider this an average tournament army. Dropping a steg would get you more comp for sure, but you'd also lose one of the hammers in the list.

if I drop a steg, I think I should get close to max comp.

it is probably the weakest "playable" tournament lizardmen army

[Antony]

It isn't the weakest "playable" lizzie army. It is just fine, fun and competitive. Give it a run.

[Josh]

As above. Out of interest, do you think that if you dropped a steg it would be a suitable list for Fluffycon?

[Simon]

As above. Out of interest, do you think that if you dropped a steg it would be a suitable list for Fluffycon?

depends on which steg, drop the EOTG and a unit of skink skrmisher, then yes, i reckon it is suitable.