Next fantasy army after beastmen

[Simon]

from warseer:

New Tomb Kings will be out in May 2010. So they will be the last armybook before 8th edition.

I will list up the information he gave me in the following, text in italic are my personal comments on it. Where I write nothing about a unit, it means that either the unit stays as it is or my source had no information about any changes. “Will stay the same” means that the rule or unit would stay unchanged.
Edit: My source didn't know anything about any new units but as he isn't a game designer himself that doesn't mean that there will be none. Personally I am quite shure that there will be at least new miniatures for the skeletons but that is just gessing, I have not heard anything about it.


Undead rule:
- Will stay the same in principle but you may take a stand&shoot reaction now.
That one was expected since the banshee may stand&shoot as well.

Magic:
- Will also stay the same with some minor changes:
-- Incantation of summoning reanimates D6 / 2D6 wounds
-- Tomb princes have 6” range like tomb kings
-- Tomb kings and princes have the option to generate dispel dice and energy dice (dispel spells in play only)
Pft... the adjustment in effectiveness of the incantations is ok, it should be level with the vampire one this way. Princes range is good. Dispell dice for Kings and Princes? Great, I only hope it won't be overpriced.

Undead construct rule:
- Will stay the same

“It came from below…” rule:
- Will stay the same

The curse:
- Will stay the same

Casket of souls
- Will have three different incantations to choose:
-- One incantation healing D3 wounds of all friendly units and characters on the field
-- One incantation similar to the current one
-- One incantation moving D3 units
- Will grant a ward save to it’s crew and attached priests
That sounds great!

Tomb prince:
- Magic changes, see above
- Strength 5
- If a tomb prince is the general you may take one unit of chariots as a core unit
- May be given the battle standard
Looking at the Scar Veteran S and T5 for heros was to be expected. Battle standard for the prince is great.

Battle standard bearer:
- New name (unknown to me)
- May be given the battle standard but may be used without as well
- May ride on a skeleton horse or in a chariot
- No magic
- Killing blow
- WS5, S4, T4, A3
A simple fighting hero without magic and an avarage profile. Ok, especially for friendly games with limited magic but I think the Prince will stay the better choice.

Skeleton warriors:
- Wear light armour without further costs
Decrease of one point would have been better but better than nothing.

Skeleton light horsemen:
- May be given light armour
- May be given Spears and Shields
That shoud give us some interesting taktical options.

Skeleton heavy horsemen:
- Are out!
I won't bemoan the loss of them.

Tomb Guard:
- 9(!) points/model

Ushabti:
- 4+ armour save (including undead construct)
- 5+ ward save
- M6
- 55 points/model
That should make Ushabti usable. Not more but usable.

Carrions:
- S4
- Cheaper
Stronger and cheaper? Great!

Tomb scorpion:
- more expensive (about 100 points)
- 5 wounds (!)
Wow, the most extrem change I think. Scorpions with unit size 5 will be nasty!

Bone Giant:
- equipment options (similar to Warhammer chronicles)
The options have been a baublery in the past, they will stay a baublery in the future.

Screaming Skull Catapult:
- Every model touched is hit, not only on 4+.
The way it is in the Skaven book. Maybe a hint of what to come in the 8th edition rule book?

[Josh]

I have serious doubts that scorpions will be US5. That sounds more like wishful thinking than anything else. Any TK player would pay 120pts easy have TS with 5 wounds. The rest seems to be ok. The casket sounds similar to the anvil of doom, although at least you can dispel it... and it's a lot easier to kill.

Nice that they are thinking of Ushabti. They were a pretty soft choice before, but the models are great.

[James]

This sounds just vague enough with enough stolen from other books to be made up IMO.

If it's true, TK got a huge improvement.

[Antony]

US 5 scorps is my new favorite broken possible unit whinge.

It'll never happen. Whoever dreamt that rumor up had better pass what he is smoking around I say !

[Josh]

Exactly. Also, I don't think Skellies would stay at 8 points each and Tomb Guard drop to 9 points. That would be the end of skeletons in the TK army.

I agree with the aboves... these are guesses made by someone with too much time.

[Vaul]

TK already one of the best armies in the game, they only suffer from a couple of ailments, one of them is the icon bearer and the other is the fact that there is only one really optimal build and it is already very well understood.  Changes so far sound good but most of them aren't needed.  GW just wants to freshen it up a bit.

[richardbarby]

they do seem very fun to play with

is there anything that they really need or could do with in there list

whats next after these beasts and tk or whats most in need of a new list

[Simon]

they do seem very fun to play with

TK is a very solid and effective army which does not require much changes, BUT they are very boring to play with.

[richardbarby]

to be fair i have only seen lukes online stuff and thats about it. but i do like the whole undead thing

[Josh]

I wouldn't say they are boring... they just have a very unique play style which is undoubtedly predictable, that's all.

[richardbarby]

i was also comparing to my choas dwarves and anything that moves more than 3 looks cool to me

[omegakai]

dam that army of tk i just got will have to drop half its models.

oh well.
:OP

[Vaul]

Rion if you want to sell me 6 chariots i'll take them.

[omegakai]

lets see if they infact drop the heavy cav, casue i do ahve like 34 of them

[James]

I love GW don't you Rion?  

Every new addition is like a game of russian roulette...

[Glenn Patel]

lets see if they infact drop the heavy cav, casue i do ahve like 34 of them

Guys, I'm pretty sure it's just the *name* that's going; it said you could give their equipment load to light horsemen.

[omegakai]

lets see if they infact drop the heavy cav, casue i do ahve like 34 of them

Guys, I'm pretty sure it's just the *name* that's going; it said you could give their equipment load to light horsemen.

yes and before reading glens post i ad allready worked out how to make an undead brett army with them.
might keep them as light horsemen instead will see.

[Simon]

rumor changed, 2 more fantasy armies will be released before 8th edition comes out in Sept.

tomb king is NOT after beastmen, but likely before 8th edition.

Ogre is probably the next fantasy army after beastmen.

and Orc and goblin will probably be the first 8th edition army.


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still waiting for my new Bretonnia army book...