Multi system support at FOB. Why not?

[daemion]

yo. A thought. I thought we were an autonomous club? How cum we cant have a mini 'something else' (cant name it in case sumone gets upset and throws their toys out of the cot.) tourney? or bloodbowl? or anything else?

Correct me if im wrong...is guardcon the same as fob?

 We made an agreement with Welly? When did that happen? Who made that agreement? huh? Thought it wuda made sense to use some of our hall space to run other systems other than fantasy over the weekend. Promote fantasy up here and 'something else' down there i can live with and understand but this...you cant play 'something else' cause i said so is a bit naff  don't you think?

I know last year it was done to get things running and it worked really well but this attitude of do as i say just burns my nostril hairs....

I thought we were an incorpororated society and had a committee that looked after all our interests as gamers. Dammit. we aint affiliated with anyone. and we are being told what to do.

Hmph.

Anyone else feel that way?

It really makes sense to fill the hall up here and I'm sure a few games of 'something else' wont destroy the delicate balance of gaming as we know it. I spoke to a person who works for the gaming industry here in NZ- fairly influential but i wont name names as we dont want a backlash directed at him. Hate me instead cause i dont care. He said this is bollux and a premier event such as fob should have the right to host multi system formats as well as any other prem events. Not as big as the main system but still be able to be played.

.....See, i told you what would happen if you ignored me....

Damian Reid.

[Simon]

no one stopping u to run a tourn, u r welcome to arrange a 40k tourn, u just have to name it something else and put it in a different month.


if u are unhappy with the current situation, u can start organizing a 40k tourn yourself, I am more than happy to get involve with it as well

[daemion]

dont want to run it. Been involved in running them before. Done my time mate. just want to know why we cant play it on the same date, in the same venue at the same time. Logistically speaking it makes perfect sense. 10 to 20 players hardly makes it a threat to any other tourney going on. And we can call it The something else tourney. I never said it was for 40k.

[Dirty_Vod]

And we can call it The something else tourney. I never said it was for 40k.

What about - 28mm Futuristic Flames of War

[Philfy]

*shock*     *Horror*

Could always join the fantasy ranks for the weekend...   

[Lazarus]

daemion you know as well as me as we have been around  but in Aux the only guy who runs 40k torney is wayde and if we expect him to try and run 10 a year, he will lose his hair fast. There is just no one around who wants to take it on i did my year helping run CG and supported for over 3 years and still do. We have all done our time we just need some new blood to put there hands up or 40k comps in auckland will die. Just due to where i stay i can rarely make it in now and also with my work or i might be keen of trying to set something up. I find it hard to get away from my wife and kid for one weekend a year for battlecry.

[daemion]

yeh mate. I have been at home every weekend doing the whanau stuff for the last two months or so just so i can get to the flames of war tourney in june.

Futuristic 28mm flames of war? Love it!

[Hausdorff space]

I must have missed the prior discussions... what's the problem?

Is the sole issue the fact that FOB is a fantasy only tournament? (I don't know if it is, just going off this thread)... I don't see what can be wrong with that.
-if they've booked the hall or club time for it, you can't expect them to really make way for others.
-if they haven't I don't see how segregation can be a supportable stance.


What was the deal with other tournies having to be in a different month though? that sounds rather balls.


WRT getting more (40k) tournies going... wouldn't it be much easier to run a series of mini-tournaments?
- I would imagine that using smaller army sizes then usual would cut down on a lot of the nonsense that can build up a major event, will open up entry to newer blood and being smaller should encourage a more laid back atmosphere?
Similarily isn't cheesycon a leagure tournament?

...disclaimer: I'm a Wm player, so I don't really know the scene. There is a high chance I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[daemion]

Yeh, valid points bro.
I dont expect them to make way for others.
 But the fantasy crew dont take the entire hall- just the main floor. plenty of space toi do other things while the main tourney is going on strong. We have the hall for two days, why not utilise it? The stage area is free no doubt... 5 tables and 10 players could quite easily play 5 games over the two days and not annoy the fantasy boys. Be it flames of bore, bored of the rings, bore machine or ' futuristic 28mm flames of bore'. or even out by the cafetaria area you could squash some more in.
Get ten players, pay the club a nominal fee for use, and use the rest of the entry fee as prizes to split between players. easy. all you need is 10 players, 30 bux a head. (100 to club/ 200 on prizes- 60 1st, 40 2nd, 30 3rd, 35 best sport, 35 best painted...)
just like we used to do at historic games... We ran it ourselves and always had 10 players. basic scoring system, and we judged each other in all other areas. No need for a TO as we do it all.

The other month thing came from out of auckland mate. apparently some people  (might even be elvis???)think they (he) know(s) whats best for the gaming community??? (ooooooo im in trouble now!) and our cityguard exec is just trying to keep them happy and not tread on any toes which is understandable .

[pete dunn]

Daemion,

You seem to want to create conspiracies and "bad guys" where none exist.

The simple facts are:

1. GW canned Fields of Blood

2. Rather than let it die, myself and the City Guard Executive decided to keep it going.

3. We chatted about how to run it and agreed that Cityguard would run the Fantasy/LotR side of things and I'd do 40k.

4. When I saw I, I mean I. It is not Welly, it is not the Warlords it is Peter Dunn. I put up my personal cash to hire hall, trophies, buy terrain, move tables etc.

5. To make sure that we gave each other the best chance to recoup our costs, Cityguard and I agreed not to run the other system at each others event.


To visit your forum and see your comments is pretty depressing for somebody who put up $2500 of their personal cash and hundreds of hours of their time to ensure that the marquee event on the GW gaming calendar didn't die.

Because it was run 66 gamers last year got to experience a 40k GT. What did I get? $350 profit which went back into terrain and satisfaction out of running (another) good tournament.

This year I'm hoping to do the same for 80 people.

Your talk of conspiracies, Welly telling us what to do, Cityguard committee bending over etc is so far off the mark it's laughable.

Regards

Pete

[daemion]

Sweet. thanks for that pete. nice one. What conspiracy bro? I just wanted clarification on issues and have now got some. thanks mate!
Some of us who aint able to get to welly anymore would simply like a chance to play 40k at the same time as we have the hall for the fantasy gt. Kudos to you for stumping up and taking it under your wing down there. Most gamers are truly lazy buggers and want someone else to do it 4 them.

I have only been able to attend one event in welly in the past and that was call to arms. i had an absolute blast and enjoyed myself immensely.

Is it really going to hurt our tourney scene if 10 players have a fun weekend of 40k while the fob fantasy is going up here? There is more than enough room for people to lurk in a corner of the hall and use the huge abundance of extra terrain, tables that are not utilised. How is that going to hurt the arrangement that has been made.

I guess my point is, a premier event should be just that.

A focus on the system(s) in question but the opportunity for other systems to be played in a much smaller capacity.

So what is wrong with 40k players grabbing 5 tables and playing over the fob weekend here in aucks?
Shouldnt be a problem right? Cant see anything wrong with that.

Believe me, the cg exec have nothing to do with my suggestions... Hell, i dont even know who they are anymore to tell the truth as i have little time to attend very much anymore due to family and work commitments. And none of them as far as i am aware have bothered to answer this thread.

And i certainly dont feel like i should have to justify my opinion. its just that. my opinion. I have always said what i meant, and mean what i say. all the time.
If i seem confrontationa l, i do however apologise. its my nature to call a spade a shovel simply to get reactions and stimulate discussions. I aint the most subtle guy.

I certainly appreciate you adding to this thread as it will give others a chance to read and form their own opinions.

Humbly yours
Damian Reid.
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[Grendel]

Guardcon last year had fantasy, bloodbowl, lotr and Warmachine.

i was assuming it would be the same this year.

however the henderson guys have already advertised for the 'NZ LOTR GT' so i am not sure whats happening with the combined approach.

with 4 periods running, it should be enough to get a very good event, as well as leaving 40K in wellington (for this year anyway).

[dave grant]

Pete,

I appreciated your efforts last year with FoB 40k. Thanks.


That said, you do look the type who'll conspire to stop people playing 40k in Auckland - its all an evil plan, evil I tells ye. 


Daemion - a big benefit of 'splitting' is that people can attend both. I feel I made this point before, in another thread.

[Lazarus]

I am trying to get in to more gaming systems not WHFB but possibly blood bowel and Epic 40k maybe Lor but i find it hard to paint 1 40k army let alone all these but blood bowel and epic are smaller and need less time to paint.

If i where going to go out and start up possibly two epic army's, how many people have these i would be keen on possibly running a tourney if there was want for it out there around Auckland

[daemion]

Jesus. h. christ. on. a. popsicle. stick. You would think im asking everyone to commit hari kari or something? Aint asking for much. 5 tables at fob? 2 play futuristic 28mil fob? or is this really just a case of a few telling everyone else what to do?

Splitting? nice in theory and even works sometimes.

Have we all forgotten that it used to be one event and held in auckland?

Correct me if im wrong but wasnt the first fields of blood held in wellington and there were a lot of no shows from the welly region because they didnt like the soft scores that were introduced???

hmmmmm. Go on, correct me. im sure that wasnt the case and old Chrus who used to run gw here didnt get brassed off with the welly crew at the first fob  and decide to run the event here in aucks? 4 fantasy and 40k???

Leaving 40k gt in welly Al? man you are welcome to it. You fullas always win the top 3 places anyway and aucklanders only get best sports.
All i want is the chance for up to 10 cityguard members (or invited guests) playing a friendly series of games in OUR HALL, AT OUR EVENT, DURING THE WEEKEND THAT THE FANTASY TOURNEY IS ON....
On a lousy 5 tables. If we want to.

Dave G, yes you have made this point before about being able to attend both. and if i still had a life that didnt involve a 2 year old child and a 4 year old child, wife and mortgage im sure i would be able to attend both.

Final point....

I NEVER ASKED FOR THE 40K GT TO RETURN TO AUCKLAND. NOT ONCE. Only want to be able to play a few games of 40k at our club hall over fob weekend. Whats wrong with that all you gaming fascists?

[Philfy]

old Chrus who used to run gw here didnt get brassed off with the welly crew at the first fob  and decide to run the event here in aucks? 4 fantasy and 40k???

Actually "numbers" was the biggest motivator IIRC...  particularly given that the rest of the country proved on the whole more willing to travel to an event than aucklanders...  who are notorious for whining about having to sit at home and never leaving their super city boundaries...  (with a few well known exceptions).  Historically whilst travelling an hour or two in a car across the city is fine...  but its far far too scary and difficult to drive an hour south to support an event in Hamilton...

Happily we are beginning to see more travellers not only from auckland to other regions (particularly for fantasy), but also from other regions (like the deep dark south) to auckland for events.  This has been mostly due to promoting within the community and a greater communication between players of differing regions, as well as a desire to not simply sit and say "why can't we have", but also to actually go about "actually having".  Yes family and work commitments notwithstandin g.

From a WFB players point of view, I kinda liked the idea of FoB being standand alone WFB & 40K events purely from a numbers perspective...  both events are capable of gaining a greater number of players due to being the only system run.  I'd like to see Warmachine and LOTR run seperately as well...  who knows, maybe those two systems may gain in numbers then too as people don't have to pick n choose thier "favourite" system.

There has been a lot of communication and pushing for further WFB events etc over the past year or so...  this evidenced in the extra WFB ONLY events on the calendar (Tin Soldier/Runefang etc)...  sadly Mr Troll King...  the 40K community doesn't seem to be doing anything of a similar nature... 

Given the relative cheapness of the likes of Warmachine as a system to start playing I don't see why some of those already playing couldn't organise a "standalone event" either... and may even then entice some of the "diehard" gamers who are usually playing WFB/40K across to support a Warmachine event...  sadly though, from what I have noted on the WAU NZ Warmachine thread... there seem to be some even more dictatorial players involved there than even anyone has been accussed of here. 

Consider that Warmachine as an event didn't even get off the ground at Natcon this year due to a lack of entrants...  and take from that what you will...  for myself I see it as given our somewhat limited tournament gamer numbers here, it could be advantageous to run "single system" events.

To borrow a phrase I somewhat dislike that was bandied about often in the last year or so...  "book it and they will come"...  so whilst you may have previously "done your bit blah blah blah"...  if you want an event...  organise it! (at the end of the day).  Bear in mind too...  book it, TELL THEM ABOUT IT and then the players are a little more likely to come.  (I believe advertising an event in the WD is still free?  Albeit needing 3-4 months notice for the ad.

[daemion]

Nah. Screw that. im over it. obviously im banging my head against a brick wall here so the whole damn lot of you can go get %$^&*. Never thought id see the day that the whole gaming thing became so elitist...
Nice for you to say 'book it' fantapants. my wife works shifts and her roster changes month to month. i already have to find someone to babysit my kids on the afternoon of 6th of june when im supposed to be playing in the fob tourney, as she just found out shes working that day.

Christ. are you mental as well as the others??? a lousy 5 tables that i could fill with a snap of my fingers with friends and fellow 40k players. but i guess we will never know now right?

You better not be pointing your scabby little fingers at me mate as being a whining daucklander who never travels outside of our boundaries. Before i had my kids i tried to not miss an event held in the north island.

oh, and phil... did you not understand what i was saying? i dont want an event. i simply want to be able to have the option to turn up to MY club event and play a game or 5 with some mates. pretty bloody simple i woulda thought.

Never thought you would be a fascist too phil.

[Philfy]

oh, and phil... did you not understand what i was saying? i dont want an event. i simply want to be able to have the option to turn up to MY club event and play a game or 5 with some mates. pretty bloody simple i woulda thought.

Wouldn't that simply thus need a message to TO's (when specified by the CG) of the "hey do you mind if we...." nature rather than an implied "event" status (from thread title) argument?  And hence the subject never have then arisen?

Elitist?  Hmm more a desire myself to see a "bigger" WFB turnout...  being thats what I play   And seeing you playing the same

[daemion]

So true.... you always wanted me to play the damn game mate.... Well, im working on it...

Nah, it has to get the ok from the exec. i think? not the TO. Thats what an incorporated society does to my understanding?

Just thought it woulda have been a really  nice and casual series of games over the two days for those club members who either hate fantasy or have no inclination to play it. You know, those 40k players that just want to play 40k...

Hey hold on... you are elitist! you only play fantasy! ha! I play regular flames and  40k games and the odd game of fantasy....

[Philfy]

Hey hold on... you are elitist! you only play fantasy! ha! I play regular flames and  40k games and the odd game of fantasy....

"Elitist"would then imply that WFB is the better game...   

I own some Flames models and rulebook!  Sheesh!  And I have umm...  "A" Space Wolf model?  Does that count?  Hehehe

I think you raised a valid query about combined events though...  and it would be ideal if we could return to the heydays of 100 gamers (50 with each system)...  or for someone to run a 40K event in Auckland in the 2nd half of the year.

And whilst I can't speak for them...  I can't imagine the exec minding too much at "friendly games filling up the remainder of the hall"?  You SHOULD be playing WFB though

[Vaul]

You SHOULD be playing WFB though

  He speaks the truth.  WHFB is a tabletop game that, at its best, captures the imagination and is a compelling system allowing players to field armies full of gallant knights, mystical wizards, magical swords and noble dragons.  What more could you want?

[NeckFace]

great big feck-off machine guns

[Fujin]

Just play an Elven army  They have everything from Uzis right up to .50 caliber bad ass anti-tank Brownings.

[Hausdorff space]

Given the relative cheapness of the likes of Warmachine as a system to start playing I don't see why some of those already playing couldn't organise a "standalone event" either... and may even then entice some of the "diehard" gamers who are usually playing WFB/40K across to support a Warmachine event...  sadly though, from what I have noted on the WAU NZ Warmachine thread... there seem to be some even more dictatorial players involved there than even anyone has been accussed of here. 

Consider that Warmachine as an event didn't even get off the ground at Natcon this year due to a lack of entrants...  and take from that what you will...  for myself I see it as given our somewhat limited tournament gamer numbers here, it could be advantageous to run "single system" events.

Oh no you d'n't

WM does run its' own events... in fact we run less than we would like.
(- If you want to run an event and want the WMers there, send Me or James an email/PM; just don't leave it to the last minute, the more planning time the better)

Admittedly though we do have a few gamers who are blind to other peoples opinions... something I'm sure you're meant to grow past at around 3 yrs old 
However, we have a much more commitee organising focus (now)... and are trying to grow beyond the image some players (may) have previously garnered for us.

The main thing we suffer from is a lack of numbers in our dedicated palyer base.


WRT Natcon, WM faltered there due to a lack of registration and real selling time (with such a sparse player base we really need to build up non-local events). Which really doesn't help the game when people are already trying to fit it into a GW tournament format - more than one day for a WM tournament is unnecessary.

[dave grant]

I thought Natcon was in Hamilton..... I thought that 'was' a local event? (I think that is Philfys point as well)


Anyway...... Daemion, I think you need to focus. Do you want more 40k "events" or to play a few games of 40k during the FoB weekend?


If its just a few games out of the way with spare tables/terrain (if there are any) I don't think anyone would mind. I won't, but then I'll be in the UK.

If you want a 40k 'event' you (or someone else) should organise one on a diiferent weekend

[Hausdorff space]

I thought Natcon was in Hamilton..... I thought that 'was' a local event? (I think that is Philfys point as well)

For GW maybe, for WM a local event is at the local club... or the next closest after that. It's one of the effects of the sparse player base.
-The general expectation in travelling to a semi-local tournament (Hamilton for instance) is that we will play no one we wouldn't usually play at club... and why travel if we're only going to be playing 'club games'?

[Chris]

I thought Natcon was in Hamilton..... I thought that 'was' a local event? (I think that is Philfys point as well)

Counts as local to me, we go down to the Tron semi-regularly to play with the guys there.

Problem with Natcon was the lack of information about specifics in advance and the fact that it was a $50 entry fee for essentially what was going to be the Local Auckland guys driving down there to play ourselves... Not all that attractive a proposition.

[NeckFace]

Elves

that's another downside there

[Philfy]

I thought Natcon was in Hamilton..... I thought that 'was' a local event? (I think that is Philfys point as well)

For GW maybe, for WM a local event is at the local club... or the next closest after that. It's one of the effects of the sparse player base.
-The general expectation in travelling to a semi-local tournament (Hamilton for instance) is that we will play no one we wouldn't usually play at club... and why travel if we're only going to be playing 'club games'?

There were a couple of players from the south island who had signed up to play WM at Natcon...  which kind of puts the auckland player excuses to shame.  Sorry - but it does.  Your reasoning does however validate my point about maybe stand alone events is a better idea in some instances with a limited player base. 

Given WM seems to run on a "single day" format for tournies  then I think you will find less people wanting to travel just for ONE day...  so likely WM TO's need to start thinking outside the square a little - and the players as well.  I'm sure something could have been set up with Natcon to give players 3! days of gaming for their $50...  something campaign like maybe?  Something new and cool to sell to the rest of the world as an idea?  Moot now I know - but something to consider for future years.  IIRC half the WM players were wandering round looking slightly bored at Battlecry aftter all their games had finished on day 2...  so maybe some way of expanding the format of games is possible?

Out of curiousity...  is the Freemans Bay hall used by anyone on the sunday mornings?  Is it possible for CG to book the hall  for the entire day?  (ie in regards to running some kind of single day event?  or a 2 day type event spread over 2 weekends?)

[dave grant]

There's normally a church group, or similar, in the morning there when we arrive (not you - cos your always late. IF you show up at all).

On odd occasions we do get it for the day, and usually do something 'more special' then (such as Tin Opener or games + BBQ)