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« on: May 11, 2009, 07:16:31 PM »

I think this is an issue many of us feel strongly about - and it's one that that people new to wargames like warhammer fantasy and 40k need to know about.  Love the models, hate the prices?  Sadly, this is often the case - but if you dearly want to collect an army, the cost is somehow justifiable. 

This thread is about lightening the load.  Since getting involved in the community I have come across a broad range of ideas that have really saved me megabucks on the price of models.  I would like others to chip in with their own tips if they have more to add (or to expand on the main ideas).  Note that these ideas aren't my own, they are basic techniques that experienced players know about - and that new players ought to know about!

1) Get involved in the community and make friends who are gamers

Might not sound like a discount, but it is.  If someone knows you, likes you, and trusts you - they are likely to tell you about the awesome deal they have for someone in terms of models they are trying to get rid of.  I picked up some brand new stuff from glen, a tournament prize winner who didn't need his high elves.  Simon bought some chariots and only needed a few parts from them that weren't even necessary for the type of chariot I wanted to make, so I got a significant discount from him (on an item he had already bought at a discounted price).  Don't underestimate networking.

2) Shop online and on trademe

If you want to support your friends at games workshop that's great, but if you want to pay reasonable $$ for new or second hand miniatures, shopping retail is not the way to go.  Bookmark the warhammer section on trademe, check it out every so often.  You might pick up discounts on things like army books - items which don't really lose their appeal if they aren't in mint condition (not for me, anyway) whereas models you may or may not want first hand.  You can use paint stripper to remove the paint from metal models - so buying metal second hand can be very very cheap as badly painted models are not going to sell very high.

I shop online from http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/ - these guys including the costs of shipping in their prices, and ship fast.  Sometimes they do deals.  I ordered most of my high elf army over easter when they ran a special.  I saved tonnes, and they arrived within a week.

3) Take advantage of the City Guard Vagabonds discount

I'm not sure if everyone here knows this, but if you were at the annual general meeting, wayde announced that you can get a 15% VIP discount up from their normal 10% if you are a city guard member.  First, become a city guard member, then see wayde.  15% from vagabonds is still more expensive than ordering from maelstrom, but it is more convenient and is recommendable for those urgent buys.

4) Conversions & Scratch Builds

I can't really recommend this sort of stuff for the new gamers, but it is worth looking into and learning more about.  Never forget that units in warhammer 40,000 and warhammer fantasy can be represented by miniatures other than the ones that you see in the army books and codexes with the captions underneath.  Instead of buying a metal tomb swarm from the shops, I stuck some sand, bits of bones, skulls and weapons onto a swarm base.  Viola!  Didn't cost anything.  With bigger and more complex models it is harder, but not impossible.  Take a look at Derick's forest spiders army for example - he has used big spiders to represent things like a rock lobber, giant etc.  I bet those didn't cost as much as the proper models that people normally use to represent those units!!



5) Miniatures from other ranges

Most of the time miniatures made by companies other than games workshop actually work out to be more expensive.  It pays to check, though.  There are a wealth of miniatures at the coolminiornot store, and many of them would make perfect substitutes for many of the units in the games workshop games.  You might find that many of them are better.  Just check that they are at the right scale.  If you're like me, you might want to go with other model ranges because a) you're not shopping with the company that has the monopoly, and b) there's nothing like having a unique miniature - something that nobody else has to represent their dragon, or sorceress, that will really catch people's eye when they walk past.

http://www.coolminiornot.com/store/section.php?xSec=2&jssCart=3f7b423ea4510b6248703c870a563e3c

6) Unit fillers

This is a warhammer fantasy cost-saving technique, sorry 40k players!  In warhammer, when models are ranked up into regiments called 'units', they are removed from the rear ranks as your unit takes casualties.  Somewhere along the line, someone figured out that many of the models within the unit don't actually serve a real purpose when it comes to marking out position in terms of the game.  Only the models on the outside of the unit create the edge which the enemy measures range to, and makes contact with during charges, etc.  Therefore, you can use things other than actual figurines to fill in the space within the unit itself, while it is at full strength. 

Take a unit of 20 men, for example.  They rank up 5 wide, 4 deep.  Take away the 6 men right in the centre, and you still have a square 'ring' of guys around the sides.  You could fill this with a big block of wood; and when your unit has taken 7 casualties, and you need to take an 8th away but the block is there, that's when you replace the block with 6 of the models you removed earlier!  That way you can keep removing models to show exactly how many models your unit has left.

This now gives an opportunity to give your unit an enhanced look and theme.  Whatever you use to fill that block, it could be something eye catching and impressive.  A statue of the god that the unit worships?  A pillar of a ruined temple?  A gnarled old tree that the wood elves haven't awoken yet?  Next time you are planning on collecting a warhammer army, plan ahead and decide whether you want to put this technique to use. 

Want 20 high elf spearmen for your unit, but mean old GW is selling them in a box of 16? - a completely irregular size!  Get a 50m x 50m base and put something creative on it, and add it to your box of 16.  Now you have a unit of 20, ready to game with.

Here's how a pro does it:



7) Illegal piracy

This is controversial, but I am only recommending it for the purposes of people wanting to learn rules.  If you know you are never going to collect tyranids, but you would like to enter a tournament for the first time and don't want to be caught off guard by all sorts of unexpected rules and upgrades, should you really have to BUY the tyranids codex just for this?  I say no.  The rules for every warhammer fantasy and 40k army can be found online, on torrent sites. 

I also recommend http://www.scribd.com/

This is a site that lets you read through a pdf online without even downloading it.  That's hardly worse than going into GW, picking the tyranids codex up off the shelf, and finding out how many wounds a hive tyrant has.  Brush up on your game, but don't accrue a collection of codexes (unless you really love them that much).


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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009, 01:58:38 AM »

good  stuff
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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 04:49:56 AM »

Good show, Luke. That's the ticket.

I also have something to add.

Odd models. Cool heroes and the like.

Sometimes I find it annoying making or painting the same models e.g. Empire handgunners from yesteryear; there are only four different figures. I have heaps of old heroes as well. If all my hero figures were heroes in my army I'd have about thirty hero choices used up. Cheesy Why not make a champion gunner from say a hero and not even give him a gun!? So I did! Just because you have ten handgunners doesn't mean that a few of them can't just have swords or banners etc... they still count as having a gun but puts good use to your random left over models. Breaks up the same-sameness of the unit. Smiley

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2009, 06:56:30 AM »

Great work there Luke.

I know for a fact with your advice I have easily saved hundreds buy not buying from GW directly alone. Cheers for the advice Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2009, 07:21:42 AM »

i have another way to get cheap models.
The Bitz Box at citygaurd, its an amazing resource.
got some models laying round that you dont use/want /need take them in and trade them for something that you do want or need. i have hade an overflowing bits box at home for years now that is full of things i cant use, two free archers from the front of a white dwarf for example. since ive been going to citygaurd my bits box is now a lot smaller but i have saved hundreds on my armies by doing this, and there some real finds down there.
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2009, 07:53:36 AM »

Another benefit or "Networking" is loans.


If you want to use an army for a while (ie for a specific tournament), you can usually borrow it off someone who has it. Not all people lend armies, but many do - so ask. Note : this is NOT a long -term solution to avoid buying models. Its only polite that if you borrow, you also lend.

Likewise for rule books - if you want to read the Tyranid rules, borrow the book from someone with an army.
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2009, 08:16:01 AM »

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Another benefit or "Networking" is loans.


If you want to use an army for a while (ie for a specific tournament), you can usually borrow it off someone who has it. Not all people lend armies, but many do - so ask. Note : this is NOT a long -term solution to avoid buying models. Its only polite that if you borrow, you also lend.

Likewise for rule books - if you want to read the Tyranid rules, borrow the book from someone with an army.

yup, Dave is kind enough to let me borrow his tomb king for TS2... just hope that i don't get smashed too hard with HIS army..  Tongue
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2009, 11:30:27 AM »

thanks for the post guys. new gamers like me need this sorta advice
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2009, 03:24:39 PM »

Another thing that may be obvious to most:
If you have a concept for an army, test it out with paper(fantasy) or substite models first, helps prevent that regretful buy. . .

great thread guys, can you sticky it please?
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2009, 03:29:29 PM »

you may notice I posted it as a sticky.
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2009, 04:02:08 PM »

my bad.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2009, 03:37:36 AM »

Another thing that may be obvious to most:
If you have a concept for an army, test it out with paper(fantasy) or substite models first, helps prevent that regretful buy. . .

great thread guys, can you sticky it please?

Plus its one of the more constructive ways to recycle and make your army bigger for the odd 3500-4000pt game.
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2009, 03:56:48 AM »

does anyone know of an alternative for green stuff or is it the be all end all in modeling putty
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2009, 05:36:21 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2009, 08:10:01 AM »

Gale Force Nine make green stuff. You get a bit more bang for your buck. I believe Tamiya make some sort of putty... as do most other brands. Just pop on down to you local model shoppe and ask.

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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2009, 10:44:51 AM »

Gale Force Nine make green stuff. You get a bit more bang for your buck. I believe Tamiya make some sort of putty... as do most other brands. Just pop on down to you local model shoppe and ask.

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GF9 GS is about the cheapest modeling putty available, you can find other scources but shipping or other costs would make it only the most marginal amount cheaper than rolling down to Vags for it.
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2009, 12:09:37 PM »

is this the green stuff you get from vagabonds for 25 buck? i got a pack and totally neglected to see what brand it was.

 i'm thinking i'm in dire need of more for my nids, by the time i'm done with tyrant and carnifex
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2009, 03:30:53 PM »

The cost saving techniques I heartily recommend are most definitely ...
have gaming contacts and convert/use other companies figs....
 My current guard project has been ticking along nicely with donations from friends and family. I have bought ONE russ. I have been given 4 russes, 3 chimeras and a hellhound. But it goes around in circles. I am giving a friend of mine my dark angels army for free and another mate is keen to score two of my chaos dreadnoughts(only have 3 more).
...Converting- I ripped off all 5 of my russes barrels. later on i will magnetise the gun options but for now they are different and looking great. Which leads me to...
Other companies stuff- My cadians looked really bland. I really wanted the forgeworld chaos militia and chaos ogryns. Solution??? Use my fantasy ogres and give them big guns and a homemade gasmask made from a helmet and water bottle. Bought some new heads that all have gasmasks and whacked em on the cadian bods. Vry cool. Snaffled 6 goliath demolition carriers from the flames of war range and stick on bases 2 represent the radio controlled tank being driven by the vox operator.
Paint. Don't buy GW paint. Use vallejo or the P3 stuff. Much better value.
...Basing materials/modelling accessories- DO NOT BUY GW STUFF! EVER! Go to your local hobby shop. I recommend the one tucked behind the pools in newmarket, the one by kfc down the bottom of the city or modelair, also in newmarket.
...Green stuff- Now i dont really recommend this but its what i have used in the past to some success. Blu tack. yep. thats right. blu tack. with a superglue covering. It works... just. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2009, 03:02:51 AM »

Crikey! I know this is on cost saving, Daemion, but Blu-tack! That is really scrapping the bottom of the barrel, mate!

...Hey come to think of it just now, I have a vague feeling I may have done the same thing at some stage on a few Guardsmen: oh dear... Roll Eyes Embarrassed Haha.

But, yes, I got about two thirds of my Empire army from the bits collective. Cheesy Cool Shocked

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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2009, 04:02:07 AM »

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does anyone know of an alternative for green stuff or is it the be all end all in modeling putty

what u pay is what u get, yes, there are cheaper modelling putties depend on what u need to do, I tried quite a few different types of modelling putty, and Green stuff is the best.
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2009, 04:12:42 AM »

I get my GS and BS from here

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Loonies-Vallejo-Paint-Store_Putty-Green-Stuff_W0QQ_fsubZ6QQ_sidZ5331696QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322

72 inches for 30US is pretty good value

Brownstuff is real good for doing armor plates
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2009, 04:43:02 AM »

what about grey stuff? i hear it sets a lot harder, so isn't as forgiving in that capacity.
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2009, 05:47:17 AM »

Grey stuff is also great for making plates and anything with a sharp edge(so i'm told)
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2009, 04:26:27 AM »

It's impossible to save $ when you want a death korps army Sad Sad
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2009, 04:45:35 AM »

actually, someone discovered a pretty crafty way of doing it - when you buy the Gorgon troop carrier from forgeworld it comes packed with a bunch of DK that are meant to be just standing around in the damned thing, something like 30 or 40.  with a bit of cleaning and scraping theis guy managed to make several full squads of DKoK that look totally rad and all for the cost of a gorgon as well as getting the gorgon with it
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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2009, 08:01:15 AM »

here a big one for you all, what is stopping you from make a cast of a box of Min's and just replicating them about from this be illegal it will save you money and if you told no one you did this due to it being a copy of the GW version you would not tell and i bet they wont also. Casting is dirt cheap do i have done it with other things no GW related and saves me heaps of cash.   Grin Grin

But i tend it pirate everything i can get my hands on  Tongue Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2009, 10:38:52 AM »

actually i don't think casting for yourself would be considered illegal at all.  if you were to sell it on for a profit, and its blatantly using GW IP then yeah, expect a court case to go against your favour.

there was a blog on warseer of a leman russ this german guy modelled because he hated the design.  he designed it in cad, modelled it, and then had a cast made for resin minitures, that he now sells off to peeps.  the tank itself looks awesome i reckon, and he's modified the guns enough so that under IP laws in germany it doesn't infringe on GW's copyrights, and he's allowed to sell these things off. 

thing is slightly larger than the standard kit and is sorta like the Macharius that you get from forgeworld.

though this is hardly fitting for the cost-saving thread, because he palms these bad boys off at something like US$60 each :s
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2009, 12:05:46 PM »

here a big one for you all, what is stopping you from make a cast of a box of Min's and just replicating them about from this be illegal it will save you money and if you told no one you did this due to it being a copy of the GW version you would not tell and i bet they wont also. Casting is dirt cheap do i have done it with other things no GW related and saves me heaps of cash.   Grin Grin

But i tend it pirate everything i can get my hands on  Tongue Tongue
They got @#$% down to a art form in China apperently!  Heaps of cast copies of forgeworld models in Shanghai!
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2009, 01:11:42 PM »

forgeworld make the wost resin cast i have ever seen.  Shocked
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2009, 04:49:33 PM »

Casting is dirt cheap do i have done it with other things no GW related and saves me heaps of cash.   Grin Grin

If it's that easy then make a new thread on how to do it, I'me sure we'll all be interested.
Maybe a step by step guide as well as where to get the equipment from and how much.
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